In my Frozen Theory article, I explored the connections fans have found to link Frozen, Tangled and The Little Mermaid.
Since that article was posted, the writers and directors of Frozen, Jennifer Lee and Chris Buck have taken to Reddit to clarify some of these rumours.
While Lee confirmed that Elsa’s parents were going to a wedding in Frozen (a detail the Frozen Theory hinged upon), Buck threw out some tantalising details about what became of Elsa’s parents.
Or rather, who they became…
What happened to Elsa’s parents?
Could these be Elsa’s parents?
When redditor Georgie_Kay asks where the King and Queen were going when they lost their lives, Buck corrects the question, saying:
‘They didn’t die on the boat. They got washed up on a shore in a jungle island. The queen gave birth to a baby boy. They build a treehouse. They get eaten by a leopard.’
A snippet from the Frozen AMA.
It doesn’t take a Disney obsessive to know what Buck’s hinting at.
The King and Queen became Tarzan’s parents.
Let’s look at the evidence:
Since Lee confirms that the King and Queen were going to a wedding, The Frozen Theory is at least in-part supported. The King and Queen could indeed have been travelling from Norway to attend Rapunzel’s wedding in Germany when their boat was struck off-course.
Granted, ‘off-course’ is a slight understatement here, but the idea does contradict The Frozen Theory in one illuminating way. If they indeed made their way out to the Atlantic Ocean it would mean that there is no way their wreckage could be found off the coast of Denmark where The Frozen Theory says Ariel finds it.
Credit goes to DeviantART user Miaokep for this helpful diagram.
More likely it would end up in the Caribbean, surrounded by French colonists, calypso music, and perhaps a Jamaican Red Crab or two.
Denmark – not known for its steel drum music.
So, according to The Tarzan Theory, The Little Mermaid isn’t set off the coast of Denmark (Hans Christian Anderson’s birthplace) but a Caribbean island on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.
This would explain how the ship looked so time-worn in The Little Mermaid. It wasn’t because so much time had passed, it was because the ship had been on a much longer voyage than the theory suggested.
No wonder the King and Queen’s boat looks so different in The Little Mermaid.
(A lightning storm off the coast of Africa? What if Tarzan’s parents were actually caught in the thunderstorm from the climax of The Lion King? To find out who caused that storm, go read The Lion King Theory.)
The long voyage would also explain how there was time for Tarzan to be born during that time. A King and Queen would undoubtedly take plenty of provisions, even on a short trip, but by the time we see them in Tarzan these provisions have run dry, meaning they could have been at sea for a very long time indeed.
So let’s look at the parents themselves.
‘Two worlds, one family’?
This is the hardest needle to thread. Even taking into account the passing of time and differing animation styles, it’s hard to believe these are the same people. While the King’s moustache-growth is understandable and his facial structure at least similar, his dramatic change in hair colour defies explanation (and the less said about his wife being a completely different person the better). They are also centuries apart in design. Tarzan’s parents look more like late 19th Century Irish immigrants than early 19th Century Norwegian royalty.
(And as Melissa Hall correctly points out in the comments: if Tarzan was born on the boat, when was the photo taken?)
In The Disney Theory I explored some of the Disney world’s crazy time-period differences, (such as the scene that links Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King in the same shot). But with no magical MacGuffin like Genie or Merlin in Tarzan it’s hard to see how the King and Queen slipped in to some dimension that transported them 200 years forward (unless Merlin had a hand in it while he was in the Bermuda triangle?).
As much as I want Elsa’s parents to have survived, there’s more evidence that Tarzan‘s Jane Porter is descended from one of Walt Disney’s classic Disney princesses than there is to connect Frozen and Tarzan.
So why would Chris Buck say Frozen‘s King and Queen end up in Tarzan?
Coming soon: The Surf’s Up/Up Theory! (Probably not.)
Because he directed both of them.
Presumably Buck enjoys playing games with Disney fans to get them to revisit his back catalogue. Or perhaps he just wanted to troll the excitable conspiracy theorists who like to find logic in every serendipitous connection. I certainly fell for it.
But what do you all think? Is there any way to make the time difference in The Tarzan Theory work? Can we keep this theory alive?
And why exactly does Jane’s father look so much like the Duke of Weasel Town? (‘Weselton!’)
All credit goes to Kate O’Gara in the comments for noticing this one.
Actually, that last question is answered in:
DisneyTheory.com 
Anybody else notice the similarities between Frozen’s Mayor of ‘Weezle Town’ and Jane’s dad in Tarzan?
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‘Weselton!’
Amazing spot though. This is going into the article immediately.
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Also they look like like slimmer versions of belle’s farther!!!
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I notice how you linked the Duke to Tarzan…very nice. I still think that lovely theory about the king and queen from Frozen being Tarzan’s Parents needs to work….is it really so hard to believe that two people who gave birth to a sorceress don’t also have magic in their veins? Could the King and Queen also possess powers that allow them to live for many generations after their shipwreck, even disguising themselves slightly? I don’t know why they would do so, but I just wanted to throw that idea out there…
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You’ve got this all wrong! In abc’s show, Once Upon A Time, there is all the info you need!
Actual Story:
Elsa and Anna’s parents pass away trying to find a cure for Elsa’s powers. But, they die in a storm at sea.
Now, you’re wondering how Elsa got her powers. Was she cursed? Was she born with the powers? But if she was born with them, what caused her to get them?
Well, apparently according to abc’s Once Upon A Time, Elsa and Anna had 2 aunts.
You see, their mother was the youngest of 3 sisters. Her eldest sister (named Ingrid) Had the same powers as Elsa.
Ingrid’s sisters wanted to get rid of her ‘deadly’ powers so,
They made a deal with Rumplestiltskin. Duh:P
He gave them a vase that would take away her powers when the lid was opened in return for their ribbons/bracelets (sort of like friendship bracelets but for sisters) and they agreed.
The middle sister met the duke of weselton , and they were engaged. But when he saw Ingrid’s was prettier he decided he wanted her instead. When he found out about her powers he is about to tell all the kingdom. So of course Ingrid tries to stop him.
She aims a spell at him but misses and hits her sister causing her to turn to ice (now we know where Elsa gets her bad aiming from because she hits her sister too) when Elsa’s mother (the youngest sister) sees what happened, she traps Ingrid in the vase.
She then goes to the rock trolls and asks the ‘grandpa trol’ to erase the memory of her 2 sisters from everyone in arendelle but herself. After that she marries, becomes the queen, has 2 daughters, and dies in a storm while on ship trying to find a cure for Elsa’s powers.
But before the ship sank, she wrote a letter to Elsa and Anna telling them about their 2 aunts and telling them to restore everyone’s memories of them to the kingdom.
There are many more details you need to find out by watching Once Upon A Time.
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Read what I wrote and plz tell me what u think.
Also, I forgot to add the last sentence, here it is:
The letter their mother writes sinks in the sea and is later found by Elsa and Anna who fulfill their mothers wishes.
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This is a cool website like really cool it help me figure out all the Disney secrets lol
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Also Weselton and Jane’s father both look very much like Belle’s father from Beauty and the Beast. I don’t know if that’s relevant but hey, just thought I’d point it out. (sorry about my poor English btw, I’m French)
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There could have been two boats. One holding the siblings of one of Elsa’s parents (most likely her dad) and the other, Elsa’s parents. Ariel might be Tarzan’s sister and not Elsa’s since the siblings have strong connections with other animals. Maybe Jane’s dad was in the boat with Tarzan’s parents but was the only survivor that later visited the land near the wreckage and found the ‘Beauty and the Beast’ dishes he had lost from before.
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Actually, Elsa and Anna are never linked to be related to Ariel in family sense. Only that Ariel finds the King and Queen’s boat in the Little Mermaid. Ariel is actually said to be related to Hercules (which is actually true if you read/know Greek mythology) as cousins (as Poseidon and Zeus are brothers and Triton is the son of Poseidon while Herc is Zeus’s son). So, no, Ariel is not, and could not, be related to Tarzan as that would mean Tarzan is a demigod such as Ariel and Herc are, which is not the case.
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Mermaid+human doesn’t= baby boy
lol
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One small problem. Unless she gave birth on the boat, it doesn’t jibe with the plot to Disney’s 1999 Tarzan movie.:
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Tarzan_(film)
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they would of been on there for a long time, maybe she was pregnant when the boarded. or maybe they did bring it so relatives could see him, but it just didn’t show him.
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She didn’t look like she was pregnant did she?
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Some woman don’t actually look pregnant until 4 to 5 months into being pregnant my mother was one of them.
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It wasn’t shown that she was carrying a baby ever. Even when she was saying goodbye to Elsa and Anna then boarding the boat. There wasn’t a single sign that she was even remotely pregnant such as baby items/supplies or supplies for emergency delivery during voyage if they were going further than Germany. If the Queen had been pregnant and going on such a supposed long journey or if they were bringing a baby with them, they’d have brought things or been carrying the child. However, they weren’t or did not.
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This to Prussia…. What if they had items on the ship already before the went aboard. Not everything these characters do is shown in the movie. So it is possible that she was pregn even if there weren’t any signs. Maybe the creators didn’t want anyone to suspect that she was pregnant or had a baby.
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Depending onwhere they were going it could take many months to reach remember they ate travelling by boat…if it was a long voyage the boat possibly could have stopped in different ports along the way to stock up on provisions and thats how i believe elsa parents got the photo with tarzan they could have been pregnant before they got on the boat wheather they knew it or not she wouldnt have shown much if she just got pregnant or she could havegotten pregnant at the begining ofthe voyage again a long voyage permiting that so thats how I think they coukd have gotten the picturebefore the wreck let me know if this seems like it may work?
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They actually were only supposed to be on board for two weeks, And if she was pregnant when she got on the ship then she had to be only 1-4 months in. Two weeks is not long enough to get through the rest of the months.
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I hope I’m not the first to notice this, but when Elsa and Anna’s parents’ boat goes down, there is clearly no fire! It’s in the middle of a storm with huge crashing waves, while in Tarzan they are shipwrecked because their boat catches on fire. That doesn’t line up….
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That’s the first storm on the map which sends them off course (though in Frozen it does look pretty final).
The boat sets on fire in the second storm at the start of Tarzan (this when we see the boat sink).
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Either the parents have access to future technology or the storm takes them through time, there is no way they are related. Remember that Tarzan’s parents fought off the leapord with a double barreled shotgun and the Duke of Weasel Town’s men tried to kill Elsa with crossbows. How did Tarzan’s parents make that technology jump? All that I am saying is that they could not be related if you really see the details.
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This theory is impossible. The time period of Frozen and Tarzan are at least 100 years apart! Just look at the technology, the clothing.
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Guns didn’t show up in certain places of the world immediately so there were times when people were still using crossbows while others were using guns. The Japanese are proof of this.
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this is in reply to stuart petty
im just saying but if two partnts who have one (https://disneytheory.com/2014/08/26/elsa-isnt-the-only-princess-with-super-powers/ and maybe two) socoures children and one oh whom (https://disneytheory.com/2014/03/24/thefrozentheory/) has a scourceress neice then maybe their magic aswell, and maybe they are imortal (or able to live for centurys)…..
just sayin 😉
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It only shows the boat go down,it doesn’t show how much time passed it could have a day, or a year, but it didn’t say how much time went by..even if Anna said see you in 2 weeks, something could’ve gone wrong and they stayed longer than expected, somebody plz comment and tell me what you think!!
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(This is actually for HarrsCanter, but it won’t let me reply to him/her 😉 )
I was actually wondering the same thing, but for a different reason. You see, I was looking around on Google Images, & I have seen a lot of cameos of Tiana from the Princess & the Frog. So, it’s simple then; The Princess & the Frog takes place at the same time as Frozen, & Tiana & Naveen simply went to Elsa’s coronation. However, there’s one problem; during one scene in The Princess & the Frog, when Tiana & Naveen are in frog-form, they are chased by three frog hunters. How is this a problem? Their weapons; from what I remember (it’s been a few years since I’ve seen TP&F), they were using rifles, & obviously, in Frozen they were using crossbows to try to kill Elsa. Now, I don’t know about you, but if I were ordered to kill an evil sorceress, I would bring a rifle or shotgun. So why didn’t they? Perhaps they couldn’t.
I am currently reading the Mortal Instruments series by Cassandra Clare, & in the third book, City of Glass, it states that the city of Idris doesn’t have access to modern technology (it takes place in the present day) due to there being wards against demons; rune magic prevents gunpowder from igniting, electricity from running, etc. So what does this mean for Disney? Well, perhaps the same thing applies to Disney magic; perhaps magical beings such as Mama Odie, Genie, Merlin, or Elsa can prevent the ignition of gunpowder, the running of electricity, etc., due to the fact that they’re magical. Thus, the Duke’s men, knowing that they couldn’t kill Elsa with a gun, brought crossbows instead.
But that’s just my two cents 😉
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then surley the msgic of turning prince back from a frog would do the same where tiana lived….
also rune magic and sorcery are kinda different thing~_~
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As good of a theory as this is, just as the Frozen/Tarzan theory, it’s near impossible and improbable.
One) The knowledge of Elsa’s powers was completely new to everyone save for the (deceased) parents and their closest servants. Not even Anna knew (because her memory was replaced). Also, Elsa was locked away since she was a young girl (roughly 7-8 years old). Her powers never extended outside her room, as evident when every time Anna came by, there was no sign of ice outside the always closed door.
This would mean the village wouldn’t have been affected if the palace (save for Elsa’s room) was unaffected.
Also, there’s no sign of the same technology seen in P&TF or Tarzan. And by technology, I mean cameras, telephones, electricity, etc. In fact, the most advanced they show to be is that they have crossbows. Besides the fact that it is proven that P&TF takes place in the 1920s due to the music, clothing, speech, technology, and overall mannerisms.
So really, no one would have any idea if Elsa could even do such things to gunpowder unless they tested the theory.
Two) There’s never a cameo of Tiana and Naveen. I think you mean to say Flynn and Rapunzel. They appeared in the beginning during the first “the First Time in Forever” number when Anna exits the gates after they’ve opened. If I could show pictures, I would, but I’m sure it wouldn’t be difficult to look them up. In fact, there’s never a glimpse of any person of colored, only Europeans. This is not because racism, but because of the setting. It’s late 18th/early 19th century in Norway, which is far up north in Europe, which is knowingly white dominant even today. I mean, it was rare for anyone in Europe to have colored (as in Native American or black) slaves or servants. If I’m right, slaves barely existed in most parts of Europe around this time. They had actually gotten rid of slavery long before America.
Three) Elsa’s powers are only limited to ice/snow/winter. She’s not a witch or extremely magical like Merlin or Genie. She cannot casts spells and even has difficulty controlling her powers.
Again, the theory is nice, yet so many aspects leave it very empty.
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Thank you, Laura. I was just thinking the exact same thing! When the King and Queen of Arendelle’s boat sank, it was because it was capsized by a giant wave, while Tarzan’s father and mother’s boat was on fire when they took one of the lifeboats to escape it. Not to mention the fact that the two couple DON’T look a frakking thing alike. So, Chris Buck is either blind as a bat, or he is a lying frakking troll!
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the beast is cursed and elsa is born with her magic. could being cursed mean for generations too come making jane and her father the magic point of tarzan movies?
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I would say that being able to communicate with monkeys, Tarzan is the Magic point in the movie…
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Reply to Prussia Naveen and Tiana are at Elsa’s coronation. Look at the pic again
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what if they made a movie where Elsa and Ana meet their so said “brother” Tarzan? that would be so cool
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I don’t understand their family photo then. I’m sure it wouldn’t have been taken on the boat. So therefore the baby tarzan would have been born before they left and that doesn’t make sense that they would have only a family photo with them and the baby if they are also Elsa and Ana’s parents?
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what if tarzans parents stopped by somewhere to take that photo after he was birthed on the boat????
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I’ve thought about this aswell… But why would they stop, and not sail back to their daugthers? But instead continue in the wrong direction..
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Well Elsa and Ana’s parents could have just found out that the Queen was pregnant after they were on board the ship. Frozen was apparently set in the mid to late-1800s as said by the author of this article. The first rudimentary camera was invented in the early 1800s, allowing for the idea that the queen and king, had access to one on their ship. Thus allowing for the proof of this theory.
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They could still be the same ship. Everyone mentions the idea of a ‘photo’, but might it have been a commissioned hand-drawn likeness? It is never shown out of its frame, so no ‘photopaper’ is shown. Further, either one of the parents could have been an artist. And the ship that is seen burning in Tarzan only sinks beneath the waves at the point that it has fully caught on fire. In Frozen, the ship is not seen on fire, nor sinking: rather, it goes behind a rogue wave amid lightning bolts. It is never seen sinking. It could have easily been turned, blown far offcourse, and in the atlantic currents, would have been taken thousands of miles in four or five months, and met with yet another calamity amid a storm in the south Atlantic. It is still possible the ship from Tarzan and Frozen are one and the same.
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Even so, there’s something I don’t understand. In the movie Tarzan, when the treehouse is shown in full view, you can clearly see a union jack flag flying from a post outside. Why a British flag, and not a Norwegian one? It seems to me they were from England, going to either America or Australia.
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Does that mean Ana is Anastasia? Or related?
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Frozen took place in Norway around the mid to late 19th century. Anastasia was a daughter of the last Russian tzar which was around the early 1900’s. Historically, Ana couldn’t possibly be or be related to Anastasia.
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The animated Anastasia movie (to which I assume you are referring) was produced by Fox Animation Studios, a rival company to Disney. Therefore I highly doubt (in fact I’m actually quite certain) that there is any connection between these two characters or movies.
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To disprove the ‘Tarzan parents are Elsa and Ana’s parents’ theory, just look at the technology in Tarzan. In Tarzan it’s clearly seen during the camp song that Turk uses a typewriter. Typewriters were invented in America in 1868, so during the mid to late 19th century. Considering that typewriters had been around for awhile longer and were more accessible by people, Tarzan would have to take place during the late 19th or early 20th century. The Snow Queen, the story Frozen was based off of, was written and published in the mid 19th century. So taking into consideration the time period, Frozen would have to take place in the mid to late 19th century. So there is a possibility that the two stories could have happened around the same time. Also note that when Ana’s parents left Arrendale, Ana and Elsa were well into their teens. If Tarzan and Frozen were both during similar time periods, then it wouldn’t make sense for Elsa and Ana’s parents to be Tarzan’s parents if Tarzan was a grown adult at the time that Elsa and Ana’s parents left Arrendale.
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Well, their kingdom was in isolation. So it explains their lack of keeping up with the time.
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why are u up at 3:19 am? on a Sunday?
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so what your saying is elsa and ana were born mid 1800’s so lets say 1850, they then grow up and the story happens around 20 years later, but the parents left a few years prior to this so lets say 1868, tarzan is then born and is assumably less than 30 years old based on the lifespan of gorrilas being 35-40 and kala is already a fully grown adult when tarzan is a baby so tarzan is probably around 20 at the time of the film. so tarzan would therefore be based around 1888 which fits in perfectly with when the typewriter is popularised.
i realize of course that we cannot know any of these figures for certain but we can know that it could fit in.
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I think yall should just make a movie involving frozen and tarzan. Lets say elsa hear rumours that her parents didnt die, and tarzan, she goes find tarzan to africa. due to the fact she has that frozen power, that could be the issue with tarzan since the animals in africa wouldnt handle cold weather, they would be in jeopardy.
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Even just looking at the course they took, why would they travel so far south, then turn back up north?
And who was getting married at the Caribbean?
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If you believe the theory that The Little Mermaid and Frozen are connected, maybe you could believe that they were going to Ariel’s wedding… I mean, if you look closely, you’ll see that characters from Cinderella went to Eric’s first “wedding”.
I know that some people believe that TLM takes place in Europe, but how would Sebastion be there? The movie plays SO MUCH Caribbean music, and I doubt Sebastion found his way from the Caribbean to Europe, sooooooo….
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How could Sebastian not find his way to Europe?
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To add to Kaley it is very warm under the sea with her point shown Eric is not freezing when he is in the water or walking around on the sand barefoot
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does that mean that elsa and anna are cousin is rapunzel
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I think there is strong possibility that Ana and Elsa have the same parents as Tarzan. They were going to cousin Rapunzel’s wedding, their boat was caught in a bad storm but survived, they got off course, later they sail and their boat catches fire, this is the boat Ariel see’s. If you look at the map, the coast of Africa isn’t too far from where Ariel supposedly saw the second shipwreck, it makes since as to how they could have ended up there. And all that time definitely explains the time difference between Frozen and the beginning of when Tarzan’s a baby. Frozen being set in the Mid to late 1800s and adult Tarzan being set in the early 19th century. That’s like 20+ years.
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I’m not convinced, simply because getting that far off course is very very unlikely.
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Actually back then it was easy for people to go off course especially if the captain and crew were idiots who didn’t know how to tell the direction and also a lot of other things could go wrong on a ship.
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Nobody goes that far off course, no matter how stupid they are.
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Christopher Columbus thought he was in India.
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But the women that kidnapped rapunzel is the sister to the king of arendelle witch would mean that rapunzel, Anna, and Elsa aren’t really cousins there step-cousins!!
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Mother Gothel is in no way related to the King of Arendalle. The king of Arendalle and the queen of Corona are related. They are brother and sister. I believe that mother gothel is the queen in Snow White. They look the same as old hags and they have the same facial qualities. They are both obsessed with beauty and vanity. In the intro to Tangled, it ways centuries passed to have Corona built. Centuries passed since Mother Gothel first found the flower. Meaning she could easily be the queen from Snow white, which was supposedly set in the 1400’s.
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The witch who kidnapped Rapunzel is not related to the king or queen. She was just someone who wanted a baby and took her. Anna and Elsa are Rapunzel bio cousins.
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The boat that catches fire in TLM is Erics ship which Ariel saves him from drowning. The shipwreck that they are refering to as Anna and Elsas parents is the ship she is exploring in the beginning where she encounters the shark, so they were not going to Ariels wedding. I always thought TLM took place near Spain or the Mediterranean based on architecture, so calypso type misicmay have been introduced… and itsclose enough to Denmark.
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Look at the clothes the king and queen are wearing, and then look at the clothes they are wearing as Tarzan’s parents. Wouldn’t they be wearing more royal clothes in Tarzan? And they changed hair color. But it makes sense. Ana and Elsa leave Arendelle for Rapunzel’s wedding, their boat gets caught in the storm and they survive, Ariel sees their boat, they give birth to Tarzan, they are killed by a wildcat. But then who is the prince Ariel sees? Tarzan? Then they have too give birth to him on the boat. And Ariel and Tarzan wouldn’t get married, because Tarzan, the king, and the queen wash up to the shore. And that would mean Tarzan isn’t the prince Ariel sees. So that’s how we know it’s not their boat that Ariel sees. Maybe their were two boats going there, and the other boat is the one Ariel sees the prince.
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Wouldn’t that mean if the queen and king gave birth to Tarzan, on the ship, wouldn’t he have drowned if he was just a baby. But I am convinced
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Also, the King and Queen said they were only going away for 2 weeks. There is absolutely no way the Queen could fall pregnant, give birth and have that picture painted in that time.
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Well, wouldn’t the storm cause them to be gone longer than 2 weeks?
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Yes, but they had planned to be gone for 2 weeks and the queen wasn’t pregnant in Frozen.
Unless the “deed” never happened until they washed up on shore. But even then, that theory is really clutching at straws. It is almost impossible that they would have survived that accident,
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They intended to be gone for just two weeks. God know how much time they may have been lost. Back then getting off course was realy, realy easy and common. They may be Tarzan’s parents, it s very plausible. But the boat in TLM may not be theirs. It may be from some other movie Disney hasn’t made yet, who knows? TLM was made ages ago, and I bet they didn’t plan ALL the coincidences as they make the movie, I bet that most times they just pick up something from previous movies to cross with new ones. I must admit, that’s a genious way to give depht to their stories and make people more interested in them even after years of their release. Praises to them. /(+.+)/.
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What if the Queen was pregnant before they left. Maybe her stomach was not big but she could of been pregnant. It is a possibility!
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im speech less the queen was preagnet on a ship omg
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Wouldnt it make more sense if it was Elsa, and Anna’s parents are also Mowglis parents? I mean that would explain the leopard and the tree house, and maybe Mowgli isn’t Indian, but only tan from all the sun he got from living in a forest, and being in the sun 24/7. I mean i know that Chris buck wasnt apart of the junglebook, but it still makes more since time wise.
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But if the king of queen were going to attend repunzel’s wedding then was that not repunzel and flynn i saw when the gates were opened? Or was arindale where they went on their honeymoon or something? I do understand that may have been accurate timewise, as I suppose elsa’s corination may have happened a few years after repunzel’s wedding and after her parents left. I’m just not entirely sure, but maybe a further explanation would help.
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The coronation happened three years after Ana and Elsa’s parents died.
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so did the queen and kind not make it to the wedding ? or did they go and got lost on the way back?
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This theory is suggesting that they didn’t make it to the wedding, got lost and ended up in a jungle, built a treehouse, and were then eventually killed by Sabor.
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so tarazan is the rightful heir to the arendelle throne
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He would be third in line, because Elsa and Anna were teenagers when their parents were out at sea that one time.
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He would actually be first in line, no matter his age because he was the only boy.
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This theory’s problems can be fixed if u take into consideration a few things
First the hair color can be explained by simply looking at the times each movie came out….the concept art for Elsa and Anna’s parents weren’t even drawn up yet…however if u swap the hair colors for Tarzan’s parents you get a perfect match….
Second the clothes Tarzan’s parents are waring can be explained by bringing up one factor not brought up before….pirates….if pirates were to broad a royals ship you’d think they would also want the expensive clothing that Elsa and Anna’s parents were waring when they left to go to Rapunzel’s wedding….now this could go either 1 or 2 ways either the pirates simply left having taken all the food and valuables they had left including their clothing Elsa and Anna’s mother would of put on the plan clothing that was left behind thus explaining why they looked like immigrants….another expansion to this theory is that when the pirates left the boat they were the ones that set the fire that we see at the start of Tarzan…either way this theory helps to explain the clothes issue
Third are the time inconsistency’s as seen in Tarzan the statue of liberty so that scene clearly took place after the American revolution…now if we accept the fact that Elsa and Anna’s mother was pregnant when she got on the boat then it wouldn’t work because the theory tells us that they had been at sea for a very long time however if we think about it…during a deep and depressing moment aboard the ship having no idea where they were you’d think that Elsa and Anna’s mother and father would of found “comfort” in each other thus producing Tarzan…the photo could of been taken aboard the ship if they had someone to take the picture which they probably could of had…anyways going off the bases that Tarzan was conceived aboard the boat then the time structure works its self out….now how long they had been out at sea i cant say for sure…im sure a expect could tell you how long it would take a old fashioned boat to go from where they were to where the ship caught fire….putting that aside Tarzan was seen in 3 stages in his life as a baby a child and a adult during the baby phase its should be expected that the events that took place during Frozen would be over and we are left to speculate what happens after that….now during the child phase five or more years would of went by during that time a bunch of advancements could of taken place explaining the difference between she ship Tarzan’s parents came on and the ship Jane came on….and now we hit the adult phase where if we are left to speculate how old Tarzan is (Disney says early 20’s) then taking Elsa’s age of 21 during Frozen Plus that of the years her parents would of been out at sea….maybe 2 years…Elsa would be 43…so if Tarzan had ever left the jungle and went to Europe he would still be able to meet his long lost sisters…
This brings up another issue…wouldn’t Tarzan be the rightful heir to the throne…well yes he would since back then royalty was based off the first male son…however in situations where there was no male sun the daughter would of taken the throne…now if Tarzan was to some how be convinced to visit Europe and meet his long lost sisters i highly doubt he would be interested in taking over….his home is the jungles of Africa not the royal courts,,,,so i don’t think that issue would ever be brought up and even if it was Tarzan would simply refuse
So if we bring all of these factors together there is still a way in which this theory could still be true…sure u have to make some assumptions here and there like the hair colors being swapped and pirates being the reason for why Tarzan’s parents looked like immigrants and not royalty….creative thinking and problem solving is a very useful tool lol…i hope i helped answer more questions then i produced 🙂
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The Statue of Liberty was given to us in 1886, which still makes it plausible to be in there, seeing that Tarzan was born around the time that the typewriter was invented. So, he could have been born between 1866-1868, and by the time he was being shown that, he was about 20 or 21.
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No need for pirates. Royal clothes in that heat? Or with all that salt from the sea, and lots of months in a rocking ship? Unconfortable. As much as they are royal, they would put more suitable clothes on, definately.
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But how do you explain the double barrel gun they used to fight Sabor?
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Adding on to your idea about the pirates, I think the Queen and King dyed their hair so the pirates wouldn’t recognize them and take them for ransom. They just never had the chance to wash out the dye, which is why their hair colors are different. Their hairstyles are different, too, for the same reason.
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There are subtle differences that some commentors bring up, however they are much more than they seem. Frozen’s King and Queen have a dress style comparable to the early 1800’s to roughly the end of Congress of Europe era in 1848. Their soldiers uniforms also show a more Naploeonic look that phased out by the Revolutions of 1848.
Meanwhile, Tarzans parents have a more robust look. The way the fathers moustache is shaped shows that they are from the Victoria Era, roughly 1865 onwards. Phototgraphy in itself was not invented until well after Frozens perceived timeline.
I know you elaborated on the “time line difference,” but this was just my two cents.
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But they have different names don’t they?
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Elsa’s parents are called Adgar and Idun. Tarzan’s Parents are called John Clayton/Lord Greystoke and Lady Alice Greystoke.
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In the 1999 Disney movie, Tarzan’s parents names weren’t established. You’re taking their names from Edgar Rice Burroughs books, which the Disney movie had some contrasts to. So, they could very well be Adgar and Idun. You never know…
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How did you know the names of Elsa and Anna’s parents? I don’t recall hearing a name in Frozen O.o
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I don’t recall hearing any names for Anna and Elsa’s parents so how does anyone know their names? I still believe that the girls parent could be Tarzan’s parents. I mean there is a possibility, right?
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From the disney wiki: “Their names are not in the film’s credits, but are seen written in the Runic alphabet on their memorial stone markers. According to those, the name of the king is Agðar[1] (English: Agdar) and the name of the queen is Iðunn (English: Idun). However, this was not been confirmed by the filmmakers.” So, yes, their names are actually revealed in the film.
As for Tarzan, though this is all off the Disney portrayal of Tarzan, there is no reason to leave out aspects of the novel as the movie was based off the story. Therefore, it more than likely Tarzan’s birth parents are named John Clayton/Lord Greystroke and Lady Alice Greystroke.
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I don’t really think saying that Tarzan’s parents names are likely the same as in the original book is an accurate assumption. Disney movies are extremely loosely based off of the original stories. Example: the only way Frozen is based off of the Snow Queen is if the writers only ever heard the name ‘the Snow Queen’ and never read the actual story… The fact that there is a snow queen character is literally the only thing that is the same. So changing names wouldn’t cause Disney to bat an eyelash.
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You have a point. I just wanted to point out that the mother’said name is Gilda.
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The king and queen from frozen can’t be the parents in Tarzan. For one, the ship in frozen sank…and the opening scene of Tarzan is the ship burning. Also, they have different hair colors…. the king has blond hair whereas tarzans father has brown hair (which is where he gets his hair color from)…. and the queen has dark brown hair while tarzans mother has reddish hair.
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Well i May be Off alot But this is my Theory Ok.. So Anna Has Red Hair as well as Tarzans Mother Is All Im Saying im not a disney expert but yeah..
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With the time difference, and the red hair, Anna could be Tarzan’s grandmother? And I think Jane and her dad are related to belle.
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So you are thinking that it is Kristof and Anna who are seen ship wrecked in Tarzan?!?!?!?!
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Also, they have different names.
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Tarzan’s parent’s names in the 1999 Disney movie weren’t established, and the movie had differences from the original book, so….
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We are all thinking to logically for the point of the discussion, if the people who created the movies explain it that they are related then that’s what it is, we can throw theories and time frames and all plausibility and impossibility in there all day but, we have no way of really knowing, they could have said two weeks but Anna and Elsa weren’t teenagers when their parents left watch the movie again they were younger had to be tweens, and just because they said two weeks doesn’t mean two weeks, when sailing time can totally be different especially if thrown off course not to mention that just because we see the boat go under doesn’t mean it didn’t pop back up some time later, some more time passed another storm happens this time the boat catches on fire, it goes down they wash up on shore, and between the time they left and washed up on shore they had Tarzan, illustration differences because when Tarzan was created Disney totally illustrated with detail whereas now they illustrate unrealistically to add to the illusion of beauty we are fed in media. Any that’s another discussion for another day. My point is, taking logic out of it, and reading to much into details its always possible for correlation between Disney movies no matter when they were made because Disney don’t put dates on their movies we do with our logic of when things were supposedly created, we don’t know, all we know is what we are told. Remember the computer was created centuries before we were exposed to it.
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it may have been the same boat Elsa and Ana’s parents were on, but most like Tarzan’s parents were not them. It is to be noted that Tarzan’s father and the king look a bit similar, especially if you look at the facial structure. So it may be possible that the king and Tarzan’s father are(if not closely) related in some way shape or form. This may fill in this theory, if only to tweak it a bit.
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William Cecil Clayton, the character in the book on whom the film’s Clayton is (loosely) based, is Tarzan’s cousin; Tarzan’s birth name is John Clayton, Earl of Greystoke.*
found this on the wiki page on one of the links provided above. its quite an interesting detail
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About the ship wreckage not being able end up anywhere remotely close to the coast of Denmark, I have a theory that might make that theory possible. In the movie Tarzan it is seen that when Kala, Tarzan’s gorilla mom, is rescuing Tarzan from the leopard she uses the boat lift thing to escape. My theory is that that small boat was the only thing left from the wreckage of Ana and Elsa’a Parents’ ship and they used it to try to find their way back to land and they ended up washing up on the island where the movie Tarzan takes place.
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I think that when Elsa’s parents were on the boat with tarzans parents and tarzans father and Elsa’s father are brothers. I feel as if Elsa’s parents died on the boat and only tarzan and his parents survived. I also think that Elsa,Tarzan,and repunzal’s fathers were all brothers, so they were all going to repunzal’s wedding.
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“What I want to know is, if Tarzan’s parent’s ship went up in flames how do they have so much stuff in the tree house where Kala finds Tarzan? Even if the ship washed up to shore, there is no way anything would be left and that is a really large ship so I doubt it washed up. It most likely just sank.
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if the ship of the king and queen of the frozen was washed up on a shore in jungle island, and tarzan saw a picture of him with his parents with a very formal dresses, is it really possible to have a very formal family picture of tarzan on an island? i think not,
so im just saying that tarzan is really living in a mansion with parents before he was stranded in a jungle, nd that is because of his formal family picture that he saw in the middle of the jungle.
i therefore conclude that his mother didnt gave birth to him in the jungle
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I’d like to add another possibility into all of this. I think that the king of Arrendale survived the shipwreck but the queen did not. His life boat washes ashore somewhere off the coast of Ireland/England. He spends a short time recovering and falls in love with another woman. He makes the arrangements to return back to Arrendale with his new pregnant wife, the ship gets lost and she gives birth on the ship. Later, he is in another shipwreck, where they wash up in a jungle with Tarzan. It makes sense for the differences in the mother. Also, haircolor can change due to trauma. so I wouldn’t worry much about his hair. And the photo could have been taken on the ship.
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This is a really great theory, but since he was a king and had two children he should have at least sent word of him surviving.
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What if he’d gotten amnesia? Wakes up on shore with out any memory? And the queen not survive the ship wreck.
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very good theory me likey
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Is it just me or Wendy’s mom from Peter Pan, Jane and Jane from Tarzan look alikeyyyyy
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This has more credibility than any of the other nonsense that the people here are spouting. At least Jane and Wendy are both English.
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The parents r on their way to repunzels wedding while
They wreck so that shows they r cousins that is why
Repunzel came to correnation day and u can also see
Repunzels parents in the auindence!!!!!!!!!!!😃😃
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i Have Seen Most Of these Replies … And i Have a Theory Myself.. They May Not Be The Best But What i Iv’e Heard is That Anna’s Mother And Father set out to go to Tangled’s Wedding.. People Wonder why Tangle’d was at The Gate Opening in Frozen Because That was after The Missing Of Anna’s Parents .. The Ship That Anna’s Parents were on Supposily Sunk That Same Ship is what Ariel Found At the bottom of the ocean But How when people say that ship could have been the one burning in the Opening of Tarzan I Know How .. Maybe Because The Ship Maybe sinked after the Ship Burned and that was what Ariel Found ..
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Yes this theory may also apply.But the geographical positions don’t match.Because north sea and africa are VERY far away..But it can also happen somewhere in between where Ariel sees it.But can it also be that Tarzan was born in between this period.It can be also noted that FROZEN took place in the mid age and Tarzan took place in early 19th century.These two times aren’t very far off.Again,if u guys notice closely(I don’t know,I think this way,so..),u can see similarities in both the mothers and fathers of Elsa,Ana and Tarzan.I know the dresses don’t match but can it be possible for the FROZEN king and queen to wear those robust clothes underneath the royal clothes.I mean kings and queens don’t only wear coats and stuff,right.You know they wear a lot of other stuff inside.And the difference in hair colour can only be the difference of animation performance,Tarzan(1999) and Frozen(2013).I mean animation has REALLY improved in 14 years,right??Well,this is my theory… 🙂
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Justin Ariel is a mermaid. They can swim super fast and travel long distances in short amount of time but one thing to keep in mind is that it is a great white shark that she runs into which cannot survive in super cold waters meaning that they are probably not that close to Denmark at all. Also Flounder asks Ariel to slow down and that she swims faster than he does. After being the sun the for so long hair color can change and we never see the Queens hair down persay so it could be naturally curly since that is a incomplete dominant gene. Not to mention Elsa and Anna have a slight wave to their hair that you can tell even though you usually see there hair in a braid. I know during the summer months for me when I am out in the sun my hair naturally gets lighter and instead of look brunette like it does in the winter it looks almost blonde if not dirty blonde. And depending for how long they were thrown off course, she could have definitely had most time in the sun.
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Honz look a little bit like Elsas dad
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Found a problem with the theory that Tarzan is connected to frozen tangled & the little Mermaid. I will give credit that the ships look similar but how can that be true if Tarzan’s parents & the king & queen from frozen look nothing alike? In Tarzan’s beginning scene it shows how the ship was on fire & sunk while still on fire, but in frozen not once does it show the ship on fire & it was swallowed up by the Sea it did not sink. So how could they say the movies are connected if there is no proof? All suggestions are welcomed…
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That is the point Tc9211 you don’t see the ship sink….what you see is a storm wave attacking the ship but never actually going under….. as for looking alike they actually do if you take a real close look, They would look more worn out and exhausted and darker skin due to being out in the sun for a long time as well as lighter hair.
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Tarzan was born they were on way 2 give him away as they only wanted girls… haha
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This whole thing would make sense if they were in the right time periods
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Taking into account on the grandfather/grandson relationship of Weselton’s Duke and the Professor, Tarzan’s parents wouldn’t have even been born yet. My theory is that Tarzan’s dad is actually the son of Anna and Kristoff and his mom is a descendent of Princess Merida (his dad took his maternal grandfather’s looks, his mom has her ancestor’s red hair). Assuming Anna is still alive when her son dies, it would make sense for him to be a lord before receiving her title.
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I like this too, connecting another movie
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Assuming the professor is the grandson of the Duke, then Lord and Lady Greystroke haven’t even been born yet. I think the Lord is Anna and Kristoff’s son who looks like his maternal grandfather, and the Lady is a descendent of Princess Merida (look at her red hair). Assuming Anna is still alive when her son dies, it would make sense for him to have a title such as Lord before receiving her title upon her death.
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I like this theory better than the original one. This one makes sense periodically
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This one does fit the time periods
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If you follow the Rapunzel and Elizabeth both being magical blondes theory, that would explain how the King went FROM blonde to brown. When Rapunzel lost her powers her hair went brown. If the King had a power we were unaware of and he somehow used it to save their lives, he could have lost it after he used it.
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Maybe after their boat sank due to the storm another boat picked them up, she ended up giving birth on the boat, and then that boat caught on fire….just possible…
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Notice that while hand drawn characters remain hand drawn when they enter the live action world in “Who Framed Roger Rabbit”, hand drawn characters become live action when passing through a portal to the live action world in “Enchanted”? Perhaps characters only change between the two or between two different animation styles if the go through a portal, and perhaps they can also travel through time if they go through a portal (which is how Gisselle moved from somewhere in medieval Europe in a hand drawn universe to modern times in live action).
Thus, maybe the storm swept Elsa’s parents and their through a portal during the storm that transported them 200 years back in time and changed them from CG characters to hand drawn ones. Although that still wouldn’t explain the differences in the characters appearances aside from the differing looks of the animation styles. Maybe someone or something used magic to disguise them? Maybe they actually left the kingdom because they were on the run from someone (someone who wasn’t after their children, perhaps, or someone who would’ve harmed their daughters if they hadn’t left) and so they contacted a magic user to have their appearances changed so they could hide out?
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My theory is the queen could have passed away on the boat because they were on sea for so long. The king then fell in love again and had another baby, Tarzan, with a servant on the boat. So, Tarzan could be a half brother of Anna and Elsa.
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I don’t think that this theory is possible
1) the little mermaid was written by Danish author Hans Christian Anderson, and was set it his birthplace of Denmark
2) the queen would have had to dye her hair( as well as the king) and have gotten plastic surgery on the ship in order to look like tarzans mother
3) the clothes tarzans parents are wearing are not even close to style of frozens outfits and Norwegian inspiration
4)if they were on their way from Norway to Germany, they would have to be WAY off course in order to land in Africa.
5) THE TIME! Tarzan takes place in around 1910-1915, while frozen is around 1830-1845!
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( Elsa is 21 in 1830-1845. Tarzan is around 20 in 1910-1915. The corination takes place 3 years after Anna and Elsas parents left. Tarzan would have been born around 1890-1895. Elsas parents left arendalle around 1827-1842. For them to be on a boat for 53-63 years and not die?!?!?!)
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Tarzan was actually born in the late 1880’s, and maybe Frozen doesn’t take place in 1830-1845.
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Her hair (Elsa/Anna’s mother) was black in the Frozen flashback. Black dye over time washes right out especially in bright red hair, especially when you’ve been drenched for hours with a storm and with ocean water. The clothes they had on their backs was the clothes of the peasant servants whom were thrown overboard in the worst of the storm. The hurricane that forced the Frozen (time) ship off-course wrecked most of the sail, carrying it at the mercy of the powerful seasonal winds for thousands of miles. The windstream in that area of the Atlantic goes clockwise. I can’t speak to definite statements of time periods of the movies, however.
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I think this theory is possible because it seems that every Disney movie is somehow connected. A piece from one movie shows up in another movie like in Hercules. Scar appears as a mask Hercules wore for a picture a man was painting are people going to say well that isn’t him because whatever they want to say. Maybe they creators of Tarzan made his parents look similar to Elsa and Anna’s parents. Maybe they didn’t want people the think the were easily related because they had the same parents. What if this was an idea to make people wonder about all this like the users above?
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I think you can apply this theory. I can also connect “The Lion King” to this. My theory is that after the storm in the Lion king passed towards at the end of the movie after the defeat of Scar, the storm managed to drift north west from Africa. That is why there is a deadly storm at the coast of Denmark. Yes the king and queen were still on their way to Rapunzel’s wedding, but the storm ruined their voyage. Maybe after the ship sank, the king and queen somehow managed to survive, but the storm transported them 50 or so years ahead of their current time. Then a ship passes by, and the crew onboard see the king and queen floating on pieces of furniture from their sunken ship. The king and queen get rescued but later get robbed because the crew members onboard were peasants. The king and queen would later resort to wearing clothes they could find onboard explaining why the parents in Tarzan look like poor peasants. The name change could be due prevent the crew members from taking over their kingdom. The king and queen probably thought that if they reveal their true identity, the crew might find out where they live and will rob whatever is there. The hair color change is probably their natural hair color. The king perhaps may have bleached his hair since it was possible using chemicals in that time. The queen may have also died her hair brown which is why in Frozen there are red pieces in her hair. This could be why the queen gave birth to a redhead, Anna. Their hair color may have faded over the time of this voyage. They probably were forced to work onboard during this voyage, and the voyage probably took more than 10 months, so the queen probably got pregnant by the king as soon as she was rescued. The Queen gave birth to Tarzan on the ship 9 1/2 months later which may have angered the crew onboard because of a useless, crying baby. This results in them setting the ship on fire and escaping on another nearby ship, leaving the king, queen, and Tarzan to die. They all escaped and made it out alive and swam to the land where they were washed up on the shore of Africa. The parents sadly were killed by a leopard, but Tarzan was still alive as an orphan.
This is what I think happened. This answers some questions to how their names and clothes are different and how the hair color is different. so please don’t make fun of my theory.
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If you think about it even back in those times the royals or richer members of society kept up appearances. They powdered their hair or even would pay money to find ways to color it or they would have wigs made. So the growth of their hair would change the color of the frozen queen and king. That is why the two daughters hair don’t match their parents exactly. As far as the picture who says no kne else survived from the shipwreck. They could of had someone else who lived on the island with them.
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Also going with the theory of another boat. How about captain hooks it’s said to have powers to travel between words which we see the mermaids in Peter Pan. Maybe that is the boats the parents traveled on. Making the time correlation. In that theory too it explains the shipwreck in the mermaids timeline. I mean Captain Hook is a pirate who wouldn’t pass up saving a queen and king. Then they probably were given clothing that had been picked up from hooks voyages. If they lived in never land for awhile they wouldn’t grow old either making it possible to be shipwrecked when trying to escape hook and his delusions lol.
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I don’t think the hair color is a problem, because the only difference is that the colors switched between the two. Either way I think it would still make Tarzan’s hair the color it was in the movie, if not a little lighter. And the photo could have been done by an artist.
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I have a theory of Tarzan and Frozen connected. What if prince Hans sailed to another kingdom to get married but actually found a true love so he stayed there for a while and got a son. Soon he decided to get back to his homeland and show his newborn to his brothers but they end up in a storm which carries them to Tarzan’s land. As he says he is ”Prince Hans of the Southern Isles” so it would explain how he ended up in a storm in the Caribbean and his beard is nearly the same as Tarzan’s father’s. What do you think?
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Tarzans last name was graystone, he’s british. The books point out that his blood line was so noble that a life time in the jungle couldn’t take away his noble character. Clayton was his cousin. I know that disney made changes to the story, but the charactors are british.
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Greystroke* sorry its been a few years since i read the book.
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It would make more sense if Tarzan’s parents were also Kristoff’s parents. That would explain where they went.
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Regarding the resembelance between Weaselton and Jane’s father I think it s just a coincidence, because the resembelance can’t reside only in the looks, but also in the personality, and their personilities couldn’t diverge more. No, my theory regarding her father (Jane’s), is that he’s Belle and the Beast’s son who took after Belle’s father. They look alike, minus the weight, and they certainly share the same curiosity, or passion for discovery, Belle’s father was an entusiastic inventor, and Jane’s father was a very intusiastic explorer. And he shares some psichological traits with Belle’s father, not to mention the teacup set.
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This is so stupid. Why can’t a disney movie just be about ONE family. ONE ORIGINAL story, not a hugeass squeal from one story to another? C’mon people wheres the originality here. Oh yes, speaking of originality, PLEASE GOD BRING BACK THE BEAUTIFUL AMAZING TRADITIONAL ANIMATION WILL YA??? No more of this trendy 3-D junk that ALL looks the same. Let’s see some scratchy pencil lines and watercolor background paintings that require longer hours and real skill to produce masterpieces and not something that would only exist through a digital print. Yes it takes a lot to digitally render things and they turn out pretty. I know, I’m a professional artist, but nothing can ever beat the romance of the traditional paint brush and mixing your own colors. Just saying….I pray this 3-D fad will end soon and bring back more originality.
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It was possible to go extremely off course back then, with very little technology. A good example is how the potuguese got to Brazil when they were trying to get to India.
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U guys should make a part weretarzan and frozen and tangled met and go to a same reunion of there family
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they couldnt have ended up in the Caribbean for one simple reason. there’s gorillas in tarzan. there are no gorillas in the Caribbean, those are in africa. so at least that part of the frozen-tarnzan theory is complete poppycock =’)
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Tarzan is English, Earl of Greystoke. Anna & Elsas parents are Norwegian. Not the same.
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Regarding the Little Mermaid part of this theory, if you watch the movie, it makes 2 references to the Caspian Sea. King Triton as ruler of the Caspian Sea, and Ursula, when she changes Ariel to a human, she chants to the winds of the Caspian Sea. The Caspian Sea is nowhere near Denmark, the Caribbean, or even Africa for that matter. It is, however, somewhat close to the Mediterranean Sea, which would explain the Mediterranean and Baltic look in the Little Mermaid. Since the Caspian sea is enclosed, there is no way she could have swam that far to uncover either of those shipwrecks. And I second to bringing back the old Disney animation 🙂
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Just no.
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I would like to point out that they only had supplies for 2 wks, and if they were going to Corona and were steered off course, they didn’t have enough supplies for 9 months in order for the Queen to give birth on the boat (as seen in the opening song to Tarzan.) Also, Tarzan takes plac in the 20th century, where Frozen is in the middle 19th. Tarzan is in Africa,again, they didn’t have the means to make it from the Norway to Africa. Plus, the royals’ ship is clearly submerged completely=no survivors. Theory disproved.
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Here’s what happened: the king and queen (Elsa ans Anna’s parents) are in fact the same people that crashed and built a treehouse and got eaten by a cheetah at the beginning of Tarzan. But this leaves the question of where Tarzan himself came from. Here is the answer: they weren’t on the ship long enough to conceive and have a baby, and we all know that they didn’t have a baby when they left Arendale, so the only logical answer is this: While they were travelling, Phil Collins appeared in the sky to them (like Mufasa did with Simba). Phil told them that the boat would crash and they would land in the jungle. He then granted them a baby so he could sing about its life story. The couple names the child Phil Jr. after the animated deity that gave them their child. They then crash and eventually they get killed, which is when Phil Jr. is found and renamed to Tarzan.
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And furthermore, the fact that Phil sings “You’ll Be In My Heart” about Tarzan (AKA, the child he made, Phil Jr.) gives more proof that this child was granted by Phil Collins and that Phil still has Tarzan in his heart
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Leopard. They were eaten by a leopard.
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Wait who’s Phil, i totally forgot lol sorry
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Yeah me too!
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When the doors open in frozen for Elsa to become queen, Rapunzel appears and her hair is short and brown.
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[IMG]http://i59.tinypic.com/21oymq0.png[/IMG]
http://tinypic.com/r/21oymq0/8
here’s a pic for you @Disneytheory to use…
This might prove how Frozen and Tangled were drawn perhaps
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What if simply, The queen of Ariendelle and Tarzan’s mother are very, very, very, very, very distant related? Or somehow they are related. Or they were just killed by a leopard.
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Ya like or both the mom’s were sisters so Elsa, Anna and Tarzan will not be brother or sisters they will be cousins or they should of not made it like that.
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I did not know this at all all I knew was the storm but I found out more from this.
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if their ship is the one Ariel swims through in the little mermaid, could it be possible that pince Eric is Hans oldest brother!?!?!??
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Good theory!
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OMG LOL
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Um any of you who think Tarzan mom and dad are the frozen parents, you don’t have half a brain. There is a picture of Tarzan family after he was born. The frozen parents don’t leave with a boy in their hands. An the picture, did yall see a camera in frozen. Before showing all these theories look for the blocks in the road.
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Don’t say they have half a brain, it’s a theory, we think outside the box.
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I think it could be possible that the ship Ariel searches through is Anna and Elsa’s parents. In Tarzan they escape their ship on a life boat, they don’t just jump ship and happen upon an island immediately after swimming away. So the ship sinks where it is (for Ariel to find it) and Anna and Elsa’s parents row their life boat and new baby to the jungle island.
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I think it’s still true that Anna and Elsa’s parents are also Tarzan’s parents as well as the shipwreck Ariel explores. In Tarzan, the parents escape in a life boat, they don’t just jump ship and happen upon an island immediately after swimming away. So then it is completely plausible that their ship sinks in the area for Ariel to find it because the ship sinks where it is and Anna and Elsa’s parents row away in the life boat with their new baby boy to the jungle island.
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I personally think that Rapunzel is Anna and Elsa’s cousin, and that the king and queen of Arendelle were headed to Rapunzel’s wedding. I’m not sure about the Tarzan theory.
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If Tarzan’s parents are from Frozen than why are they flying England’s flag and not Norway’s from the tree-house?
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The mother’s hair can be explained by a significant amount of time in the sun lightning her already reddish brunette hair. The father’s can be explained by the fact that blonde hair has been known to grow darker as one ages. The difference in technology can be explained by different areas having different levels of advancement in technology. Also it’s possible that one of his parents were British nobility. Nobility often married among nobility from their county and others to strengthen both the blood line and international relationships.
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Has it ever occurred to your minds that the photo in Tarzan movie is not Elsa and Anna’s parents but a portrait of someone on board with them who took it as a photograph for his own family? However the king and queen could still be the parents of Tarzan but the queen gave birth on the island after they were stranded there.
This one just boggled my mind when I saw the picture up on the article cause the Mom looks a bit different to the picture
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Ok well I kind of doubt that the king and queen would wear their most fancy wear on a voyage through the ocean. So maybe those clothes were just more casual for them.
This might be a bit far fetched, but sun can change hair color a bit. Also, maybe just the way the queen’s hair was done could’ve made it look different. Just a thought.
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Yeah, i mean, when we see the queen she has always got her hair done up so it could be the same person
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Could tarzan’s parents be a child from the king and queen? If the king and queen washed up on shore on a remote island maybe where Ariel took place. And then had a daughter. She could have met an explorer who took her on a trip to where Tarzan takes place. They could have Tarzan on their way. Then get stranded as a family on their trip. This would explain the picture.
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This is some Tarantino-level s*** going on right now
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What if while visiting in repunzels home land, Tarzan was adopted by Elsa and Ana’s parents. This would explain the picture, and why she was not pregnant and the time line. While on the way back is when the shipwreck took place.
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I just watched Tarzan again today, and Jane shows him a picture of Eiffel Tower (which was inaugurated in 1889), so Tarzan happens after that, late XIX to early XX. Frozen seems really like XVIII century or before… It’s Impossible for them to be contemporary.
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In big hero 6 ( the new Disney movie) I noticed a connection between tangled and big hero 6 , at the police station where hiro tries to explain the attack with microbots there is a wanted poster that looks like Flynn rider
I hope it helps!!!
Also, in the picture where Rapunzel and Flynn/Ugene are sorounded by books there is a candle that looks like Lumiere in the bottom right, I’m really interested in these connections and I strongly believe that the King and Queen of Arendellle are Tarzans parents.
I also wanted to point out that the witch in Snow White and the witch in Brave look identical! Mother gothel in tangled looks simular too and she might be the same person as she and the witch in Snow White have an obsession for staying young and beautiful, there is also a theory that the witch in Brave is Boo in monsters inc. so the witch in Brave and The witch in Snow White might not connect, or maybe… They are TWINS! Either that or they are the same person. I’ll tell you a bit more about the theory that Brave and Monsters inc. are connected, it explains why the witch in Brave has a carving of Scully in her shop, and it also explains something else, why every time she shuts the door she disapeers, this is because, she travels through time, let me explain, there are no monsters in the human world in real life of in the other Disney movies, so Monsters inc. is set AFTER humans are extinct, and where monsters rule the world, so when they go through doors, they time travel. Boo lives in our time, Monsters are in the Far future, Brave is in the past, when boo comes into the monster world she time travels and when she has to leave she really wants to see Scully again so she creates a time travel door like the one in monsters inc. trying to find Scully again, and she goes to Old Scotland where she creates the workshop and sells wood carvings, she has obviously aged in this time and that is why she appears so old in brave, when she goes through the door in brave she tries to find Scully in different time periods, but always comes back to the world of brave, I don’t know why she’s Magic though, maybe she swallowed a wisp or something? (There was an old lady who swallowed a wisp! I don’t know why she swallowed a wisp!) anyway, I hope I helped!
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Here is a thought… Tarzan and Milo Thatch could possibly be brothers. Milo was raised by his grandfather, so his parents could have been explorers who got “lost at sea”, you never see a picture of his parents. The era looks similar… never know eh?
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I liked this too
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It makes more sense than The King and Queen of Arendelle being his parents. Also, it makes sense. I like this theory.
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There should be a movie abt Anna and Elsa finding their brother Tarzan. Their parents could have gotten tht far off course easily. I mean, didn’t Christopher Columbus think he had made it to India when he came upon North American soil. Exactly. Nowhere close!
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I have a theory on both Jane’s Dad’s and Jane’s connection to Belle. And also to the Duke of Weaselton.
Well, Jane has already been labeled a descendant of Belle, but it clears up the family connections.
Okay, so. It all depends on if there is a big enough time distance. Which, I think there is.
A few generations after Belle and the Beast have kids, their great-something-or-other has a baby, The Duke of Weaselton after marring his father. After Weaselton goes bankrupt, The Duke moves to America (if that’s plausible) and has children. One of his great grand-children has Jane. So, that’s why Jane’s father looks like the Duke of Weaselton and why Jane looks like Belle.
I know it’s a Frozen/Tarzan theory on here, but I had to put this up it also KIND OF has Frozen… I dunno. Is my theory possible?
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Therefore if Tarzan is Elsa’s and Anna’s brother that would make him a prince , making Jane a Disney princess.
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Jane is a descendant of Belle that already make’s her a princess
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Just a theory of my own, what if the boat that sank was on its way BACK from the wedding and not to it? That being said, while in Corona the king could have found himself a bar maid or something and ended up impregnating her. Keep with me for a minute. So the queen returns home alone, angry, and whoever survived to tell everyone the ship sunk thought both the king and queen were on it then they both would have been presumed dead. So there are, dumb indeed, theories that the sun can change hair color. So that could explain the hair on the king. So instead of going home he finds out his side woman is pregnant and decides to take her home. This is a long journey since her only family is in the new world. So while out at see they get blown off course because of an incoming storm, or something. So Tarzan’s mom gives birth on the boat, and since the king is only taking her home and not staying with her he wants his son to know who his father is and decides to have a photograph taken of the three. Not long after the storm hits and they’re the only survivors…. Well… Not for long, cause then they get eaten and the whole story loops back into Tarzan? Just a thought. ^.^
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The biggest Frozen/Tarzan issue is that Tarzan’s parents are English. They hang a British flag. I don’t Danish royalty wouldn’t do that.
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The big problema is Tarzan. The Queen doesn’t look pregnant at all when she goes on the boat and Anna said: ”See you in three weeks!” so it just hadn’t enough time for a preagnacy.
And for the love of god the Little Mermaid doesn’t seem like it’s in the carabean sea. The colour of the water, the whole ”human town” and the types of trees in the forest (and this is valid because we can see that Atlantica is close to that) that just isn’t the typical things that are (or were) in there.
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Guys. Elsa’s dad had a secret family. Tarzan is his bastard, the redhead is his mistress, and he wore a disguise with her, so he assumed that persona at some point. I wonder if there’s a hidden place that Elsa’s mom escaped to when she and her husband faked their deaths to enable their divorce and escape from their freaky daughter and the stresses of leading a nation?
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Then if frozen and Tarzan are related how come that the movie of Tarzan comes first? My what I mean is that Tarzan movie comes first then how can they be eating by a Leopard and have Elsa and Anna later.
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this is freaky Elsa’s mum looks exactly like Rupanzel’s mum who nows they could be cousins
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im sure that Elsa and Anna would no that there mom has a baby. and how did the baby survive even if he was in her tummy or not he would of died because he was so little im so confused this could be a prank or something because Elsa’s mom looks nothing like tarzan mom hahaha why am i saying elsa’s mom and tarzans mom there bro and sis they both have the same mom i sould be saying elsa and tarzan mother!!!!! hahaha
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my fav disney charecter is elsa but sinse tarzan his her bro i kinda of with elsa but i still like her but not as much as i likes her before
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there could be a possibility for anything like Tarzan could be Elsa’s brother right?
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Wait if ariel and frozen are in the same world…then why is dude that ariel saves and falls in love with on that ship Elsa and Anna parents were on?
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Yeah, they are not connected at all. First off, Elsa and Ana’s parents look nothing like Tarzan’s parents. No matter how much people say they could have done this or they could have done that. Tarzan looks like his father and I think people who grew up watching Tarzan (I watched it so much we had to buy 2 VHSs) would have seen Frozen and been, ‘That guy kinda looks like Tarzan’. I watched Frozen again, just to see and nothing.
Plus, I don’t like linking movies from the Golden Age of Disney to ones now-a-days. Yes, some can, but let’s just leave the good movies alone when we discuss terrible movies, like Frozen or Meet the Robinsons or most of the movies Disney has come up with after ditching the beauty that is drawn movies, which would have been better if Elsa was evil and they actually knew what the Snow Queen was about.
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Absolutely not. In Tarzan the mother was a redhead and the father had brown hair, and in Frozen the queen’s hair was brown and almost black and the king’s was strawberry blond. There is NO WAY these two couples are the same. Plus, unless their trip took over six months to get wherever-they-were-going (which I highly doubt), there is no way the queen could have had a baby on the ship before the wreck because she didn’t look the slightest bit pregnant when she got onto the ship.
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I hate to do this but I have to say it anyway just to make sense with these Disney-stories-relatedness conspiracies….
As someone who used to work in the animation industry, I would like to tell that re-using materials (backgrounds, animation sequences, effects, etc…) tweaking character models (re-modelling existing characters to use in another film), and inserting stuffs from features to features are typical in this industry. Even inserting animators’ names or whatever they want to insert in a specific scene ( whether subtle or obvious) just because they want to is very typical. You may want to check, mostly in youtube, how animation sequences or materials are re-used from one movie to another.
I understand how imaginative people can be…but let us not be surprise when a certain object from one animated film appears to another animated film…and let’s not consume ourselves thinking that the storyline of one film is related to another just because a simple object, character, or whatever are re-used and made an appearance.
But hey, it’s a free world, everyone can make their own assumptions. It would be great if that assumption can be materialized, proving that the theory was, indeed, probable and worthy…=)
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Here’s my opinion:
Elza’s father indeed could be Tarzan’s IF he was shown as a child on Frozen. I have a cousin who was born blonde and now has mid-brown hair, so that would explain the hair colour changing. Also, the bassist of one of my favourite bands was also born blonde and now he has brown hair (A bit like chocolate). But that’s not my point. Let’s say that Frozen’s king and queen are Tarzan’s parents. A lot of people who said that the queen couldn’t be pregnant when she tells goodbye to both Elza and Anna… Let me ruin your dream a bit. I have just re-watched the sequence when the king and queen are about to leave and I want to point out something: The queen’s dress isn’t as tight on the waist as her daughters. It’s more like an Empire model. So, if Elza and Anna’s parents indeed would be Tarzan’s parents, who can guarantee you all that she already wasn’t pregnant when she left? My grandma, for instance, was pregnant with my uncle for five months and she claims it barely seemed it. On thin women (And we know that the queen, Elza and Anna aren’t exactly curvy, as women from that time. So, the combination of the dress plus the physique (And I forgot that women did wore corsets during pregnancy as well – They were specially designed) could quite well hide a four, five months pregnancy. Also, something else to take on count about the theory: Both Tarzan’s and Elsa and Anna’s parents were travelling on vessels, ships that were fully dependant on weather. So, the voyage could last around 30 days up to 18 months (And yes, I do have an article open on another tab). Meaning, if the queen would be pregnant with Tarzan for two months, she actually could given birth to him while on board. Also, let us not forget something quite important: During the time of both movies, there was no pregnancy pharmacy test nor ultrasound or even blood test. So, women who were on first trimester of pregnancy could not know (Despite it’s not impossible.). I would’ve believed this theory that Tarzan is Elsa and Anna’s lost brother if there wasn’t another not so small detail between the king and Tarzan’s father: Their nose. I mean, Tarzan’s father’s nose is thinner and shorter than the king’s. But I would like to, lastly, point out something that would’ve made me more believable about the theory: If instead of Elsa and Anna’s mother, they would’ve used Rapunzel’s. I mean, I was seeing at the portrait of Tarzan’s mother (The one where she’s holding baby Tarzan) and comparing to the Rapunzel’s mum and I think they resemble more than with the Frozen’s queen.
P.s.: Something I was almost forgetting: The Frozen vessel sinks too quickly. I am thinking about both from Tarzan and Pirates of the Caribbean, which take a bit longer to go to the bottom of the ocean… (And yes, I am taking the weather in consideration.)
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What do you all think of Clayton being the descendant of Ratcliffe? 😉 Makes some sense right? Lol
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Wow, this is really cool to think about. And Tarzan has human strength too, like Anna (possibly) because, well, he does pick up a male gorilla that probably weighs over 600 pounds.
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Tarzan is awesome
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In the book, Tarzan’s father was identified as Lord John Clayton Jr of England, Tarzan being born John Clayton III. Clayton the Hunter who travelled with the Porters was John/Tarzan’s blood Cousin.
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Tarzan’s parents are British, not Norwegian.
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I think that Elsa’s mom had magic in her blood and that’s how Elsa got powers. When the ship went down she (as a side character which goes along with the wreck-it-Ralph theory) could use that small amount of magic in her veins along with the magic of the Bermuda Triangle to transport them to a different place and keep them from dyeing. She messes up a bit and the ship goes through time instead. Then another storm comes and they are the only survivors. Here’s where it gets complicated. They wash up on a not-so-deserted island where another family is. The other couple invites them to their treehouse where there is much tech, including hair dye. The King has been injured so while the other couple’s wife tend to his injuries the queen and the other couple’s wife go to find food. There they are attacked and killed. The King and the other couple’s wife, whom I shall name May, find that out after they don’t return. The King and May fall in love and get married (even though it’s not legally) and then May becomes pregnant. The King, during this time, has tried out many of the things from the future, including hair dye. Then they have a baby named Tarzan. Then this couple is attacked and killed. You know the story from then on.
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There could be a possibility.😕
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No way Tarzans parents and Elsas parents are the same you can do whatever theory you want about the ship but the main flaw is in the parents themselves they are completely different people Tarzans parents names are Lady Alice and John Clayton( yes him and the villian have the same name) and Elsas parents names are King Agnarr and Queen Iduna, not to mention Tarzans father has dark brown hair while his mom has Redish hair explain that to me. Enough with this stupid theory
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Thank you
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The guy from disneys atlantis looks like that guy from tarzan and frozen also.
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omg this is amazing
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ummm wasnt there a theory of tarzan having a brother??? Or am i missing something? Also has anyone taken time to look at baby pictures of Anna and Elsa
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Absolutely NOT!!!! Tarzan is the son of a British lord and lady…Elsa and Anna are the daughters of the king and queen of Arendelle…That right there tells you the answer…WHICH IS NO!!!!!!!
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Any visual similarities are all the product of Disneys formulaic art style…Get real lives people
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Well the fact that the frozen movie takes place in 1839 or 1840 and Tarzan’s parents are marooned in 1880 kinda destroys this whole theory all together.
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To date frozen Anna rides a bike down th stairs an invention from the 19th century
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Time and sunlight can change an appearance of someone. Plus environment. So there is a possibility that Tarzan’s parents are Elsa and Anna’s parents. I am an example. I was platinum blonde as a kid and not getting a lot of sun or not taking care of myself plus the different environments I’ve been in with moving to many different states… my hair is now a darker blonde and my skin is a little different in color and texture. Plus when there isn’t someone around to help take care of your hair it can become more ruley and the color and texture can change easily. But you also have to keep in mind the animation because Tarzan was made years before frozen was ever thought of. And just because a ship is supposed to sink in a certain place doesn’t mean it doesn’t move around after it sinks. The ocean does in fact have its own way of things. Things that sink in the artic can sometimes be found hundreds of miles from where it sunk. Tectonic plates move as well as ocean current so even if something sinks to the bottom of the ocean it doesn’t mean it will be in the exact same place 30 years from now. And honestly, it’s disney people. Those of you who have an imagination can see how some of these movies are connected. Plus, they are kids movies…. what kid wouldn’t want the little mermaid to find the ship of their newest favorite Disney princess’s parents? Or what kid wouldn’t want to know if Belle has kids? I am a Disney fan so I would love to see what happens after all the “happily ever afters” that I grew up with.
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If the king and queen of arendelle are Tarzan’s parents, then that means that they are also dinstantly related to belle since another theory suggests that Jane is Belle’s great great granddaughter and your theory says that the duke of Wesselton is Belle and Beast’s grandson and then that wouldn’t make sense. Also the queen would probably be too old to have another baby because she already had two grown up daughters
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Here is my theory.
The king of arendelle has two sisters and a brother. They were all born in Britain and brother became King of England meaning others had to find different countries. King of Arendelle married the Norwegian Princess and Queen of Corona married King of Corona. Last sister fell in love with an American tourist and then moved to America. She didn’t become a Queen. Then Rapunzel was having her wedding so Queen of Corona invited her siblings. King of Arendelle was killed with his wife in a storm. Before setting off, young sister had a baby and took a picture. Her boat was attacked by pirates before they got far an€ then the Tarzan story began.
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